NewHampshireRed 94 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 And to add another point, the current rebel flag isn't even the confederate flag of the south. It's actually the battle flag of Tennessee. Lesson of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Also, please, if anyone believes the union went to war against the confederates because of slavery are truly mistaken. The union faught to persevere the states as a whole. This is an accurate summation. From Lincoln's inaugural address: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." It wasn't until late 1862, when the Confederacy was shellacking the Union, that Lincoln put forth the Emancipation Proclamation in a desperate attempt to galvanize the Union (while betraying the 4 Union states that endorsed slavery). I am not convinced that even this would have worked if Lee hadn't exercised a neglectful strategy and gone on the offensive in Pennsylvania 6 months later. 1inStripes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 This being said, Parsons is right (and it may cause a seal of the Apocalypse to crack by me saying it) vis-a-vis the Confederacy's justifications. "State rights" is a cutesy phrase that our history teachers like to use, but the common denominator of all that is the agrarian economy that flat couldn't exist without slavery. Take away slavery, you take away the antebellum economic foundation. 1inStripes and BigWinners 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsons 178 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Lol, You're both plainly ignoring the fact that the south explicitly seceded to preserve slavery. This is an accurate summation.From Lincoln's inaugural address: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.". Lincoln's inaugural speech was an attempt to woo the southern states that had seceded back to the fold, and to keep the other slaveholding states from seceding. He had always valued the preservation of the Union over his personal distaste for slavery. But the southern states knew his true feelings about slavery ---- from The Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina: "A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that 'Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,' and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsons 178 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 This being said, Parsons is right... Does anyone else hear the trumpets of angels???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futbolking 766 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 I have tinnitus.... so hard to tell. 1inStripes, GMan, parsons and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsons 178 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 To even further solidify my previous comment. Not has anyone commented about Native American genocide committed under the United States flag. Also, please, if anyone believes the union went to war against the confederates because of slavery are truly mistaken. The union faught to persevere the states as a whole. Most union states were just as rasicts. Even Lincoln isn't the man the majority of America thinks he is. Lincoln wanted to eradicate the country of blacks. My point is, we don't educate (as a whole) ourselves other than what we're taught. Actually read the truth of history and you'll be amazed at what we don't know. I won't argue with what you're saying, because you're correct. The United States government has perpetuated horrible acts. But take a look at our current Constitution, Tell me which parts you find objectionable. This country, even with its flaws, has an ideal that is moral in purpose, being established with the goal of treating all equally and with fairness. The Confederacy, like Nazi Germany, had no redeeming characteristics. Your comparison is a false analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Lol, You're both plainly ignoring the fact that the south explicitly seceded to preserve slavery... Anticipating a response such as this, I made my second post. Hasty, hasty. :) You damn sure know your American history. parsons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefield researcher 1,197 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 All you have to do is read the second paragraph. http://www.civil-war.net/pages/mississippi_declaration.asp parsons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Vitale 342 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Wonder how many PowerPoints the North got for beating the South? EH31 and 1inStripes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 933 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 I am not convinced that even this would have worked if Lee hadn't exercised a neglectful strategy and gone on the offensive in Pennsylvania 6 months later. If practicable may have been the two words that changed the war the most. Either way I cannot imagine what it had to be like to serve on either side, or to have been an onlooker at some of the battles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWVAgridiron 1,469 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Wonder how many PowerPoints the North got for beating the South? The south was winless, so they definitely didn't get any bonus points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 933 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Wonder how many PowerPoints the North got for beating the South? I think the South outpointed the North the first two years of the series but the North took a commanding lead the last 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMan 3,569 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I have tinnitus.... so hard to tell. 1500 watt sound system in my old Chevette back in the 80s did that to me...thing was so loud, I blew out the hatchback window twice... futbolking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futbolking 766 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Wonder how many PowerPoints the North got for beating the South? I think the North was 2A at the time and the South was 1A.... this was before 1A Power points counted the same as 2A power points.... 1inStripes and cityofRaven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercloud 179 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 It's all because they didn't have that one player there. If Stonewall had been there it would have been a different game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Lol, You're both plainly ignoring the fact that the south explicitly seceded to preserve slavery. Licoln's inaugural speech was an attempt to woo the southern states that had seceded back to the fold, and to keep the other slaveholding states from seceding. He had always valued the preservation of the Union over his personal distaste for slavery. But the southern states knew his true feelings about slavery ---- from The Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina: "A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction." Dude Observer was backing up your point about slavery being the catalyst for the war and how the Southern economy would have crumbled without it, dunno why you are going at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan4VT 4,557 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Dude Observer was backing up your point about slavery being the catalyst for the war and how the Southern economy would have crumbled without it, dunno why you are going at him. Because they don't like each other lol. BigWinners 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsons 178 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 ....and because our follow up posts landed at the same time. Observer is wise...I know my history:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Vitale 342 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 You guys think the North gets the rider points wins against the French and Indian war and the Revolutionary War? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1inStripes 933 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 It probably eased the pain of picking up one rider point after the loss at Little Big Horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West12aaa 99 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 The north had transfers that changed the game, they couldnt get there own so they recruited from England or France cant remember GMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futbolking 766 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 The north had transfers that changed the game, they couldnt get there own so they recruited from England or France cant remember Pretty sure they moved to the attendance zone. GMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West12aaa 99 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Pretty sure they moved to the attendance zone.the attendance zone always moved, it's why they had tents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH31 2,533 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 the attendance zone always moved, it's why they had tents. well if their families decided to "pack up and move to a different town" then who are we to judge them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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