Grapeape 259 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 I agree that all talk about Akers should stop, other than to wish him success in the future. He came & went; on to the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Faithful 2 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 As someone who played in the Akers era, I am truly glad he is gone. I don't believe we should bash him, the time for that has passed. But, as someone who has been fortunate enough to play under some wonderful coaches, I can say that the man did not know what he was doing. Week to week, our offense would completely change. There was no foundation. He wanted to run the veer that had worked at Retreat, but the offense simply does not work in 2a football. In 1a, where you're only looking at one or two really good players on each team, it works fine. However, in 2a there are too many talented players on the field. Once he realized that it wouldn't work, he didn't change it. He was too prideful. He could not admit that others knew better than him and would not listen to their advice. Another problem was his butchering of the little league program. He did not care enough to take charge of the program himself, and he allowed coaches to stack their teams and ruin the 4 team structure. As a former Redskin, it pained me to see the kids losing hope and eventually have to cut their season short for coaches not doing what was right for the kids. The travel ball was a product of this pride. It told kids who weren't "good enough" to go to the house and give up. Rather than a fun, month long season where you played against your friends and learned the game of football, it became a 3 month long slog where you were forced to run plays the varsity players didn't even know how to run properly. If I would have grown up with this system, I probably wouldn't have made it to varsity. I would have been one of the "not good enough" to make the travel team. I would've been told to give up what I loved because my dad wasn't a former player and I was an undersized lineman. Akers allowed this attitude, and i believe that's why numbers have been down. Many former players have expressed their disdain for him and say they would have continued playing if it weren't for him. And that leads to what I believe was Akers biggest problem: the lack of respect. The man was a jerk to his players, belittling new players who were just learning varsity and telling experienced players that they didn't want to win any and that they should just go home. This is why I think the team started to lose faith through the season. We were told we did not deserve to be there and then he would try and say he cared about us. The team wanted to win, but the constant bashing slowly took its toll on the team and we no longer believed in him. We did not respect him, for he did not respect us, and that, more than anything, is why he failed at Gate City. I hope that in whatever he does in the future, he is successful and I hope him and his new family find happiness in their future plans. But, I do not believe the man was right for the job and I believe he was responsible for destroying something I held so near to my heart. I pray Gate City finds the right person for the job in the future, for the community's, my former teammates', and for all the future blue devil's sakes. LacesOutDan23 and Grapeape 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan4VT 4,554 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Big Blue Faithful said: He wanted to run the veer that had worked at Retreat, but the offense simply does not work in 2a football. Appomattox has won 38 of their last 40 games, including 15 straight playoff games, by running the split-back veer. It can be done, provided the right type and amount of athletes. sup_rbeast and Warriors_XO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Football 1,532 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, Big Blue Faithful said: As someone who played in the Akers era, I am truly glad he is gone. I don't believe we should bash him, the time for that has passed. But, as someone who has been fortunate enough to play under some wonderful coaches, I can say that the man did not know what he was doing. Week to week, our offense would completely change. There was no foundation. He wanted to run the veer that had worked at Retreat, but the offense simply does not work in 2a football. In 1a, where you're only looking at one or two really good players on each team, it works fine. However, in 2a there are too many talented players on the field. Once he realized that it wouldn't work, he didn't change it. He was too prideful. He could not admit that others knew better than him and would not listen to their advice. Another problem was his butchering of the little league program. He did not care enough to take charge of the program himself, and he allowed coaches to stack their teams and ruin the 4 team structure. As a former Redskin, it pained me to see the kids losing hope and eventually have to cut their season short for coaches not doing what was right for the kids. The travel ball was a product of this pride. It told kids who weren't "good enough" to go to the house and give up. Rather than a fun, month long season where you played against your friends and learned the game of football, it became a 3 month long slog where you were forced to run plays the varsity players didn't even know how to run properly. If I would have grown up with this system, I probably wouldn't have made it to varsity. I would have been one of the "not good enough" to make the travel team. I would've been told to give up what I loved because my dad wasn't a former player and I was an undersized lineman. Akers allowed this attitude, and i believe that's why numbers have been down. Many former players have expressed their disdain for him and say they would have continued playing if it weren't for him. And that leads to what I believe was Akers biggest problem: the lack of respect. The man was a jerk to his players, belittling new players who were just learning varsity and telling experienced players that they didn't want to win any and that they should just go home. This is why I think the team started to lose faith through the season. We were told we did not deserve to be there and then he would try and say he cared about us. The team wanted to win, but the constant bashing slowly took its toll on the team and we no longer believed in him. We did not respect him, for he did not respect us, and that, more than anything, is why he failed at Gate City. I hope that in whatever he does in the future, he is successful and I hope him and his new family find happiness in their future plans. But, I do not believe the man was right for the job and I believe he was responsible for destroying something I held so near to my heart. I pray Gate City finds the right person for the job in the future, for the community's, my former teammates', and for all the future blue devil's sakes. In your first two sentences you state the time has come to stop bashing Akers. In the rest of your novel you proceed to talk trash about everything he did wrong in your opinion. I have a hard time seeing how the head football coach is responsible for the way 8 year olds are coached. I may be missing something. Can we just let the man ride off into the sunset? Deleted Account and olewave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Blue Faithful 2 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 40 minutes ago, Ryan4VT said: Appomattox has won 38 of their last 40 games, including 15 straight playoff games, by running the split-back veer. It can be done, provided the right type and amount of athletes. That's true. Honestly, I'm not familiar with the different offenses run outside of who we played. Personally, I'm not a fan of it and believe up the gut, three yards and a cloud of dust football is the way to go. It's what Gate City was built on and was what I grew up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Faithful 2 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, 99Bama said: In your first two sentences you state the time has come to stop bashing Akers. In the rest of your novel you proceed to talk trash about everything he did wrong in your opinion. I have a hard time seeing how the head football coach is responsible for the way 8 year olds are coached. I may be missing something. Can we just let the man ride off into the sunset? 2 minutes ago, Blue_Crue said: I simply wanted to explain why I thought the program was doing poorly. I believe he is mainly responsible. Whether or not you believe that is up for you to decide. I've listed my reasons and would love to hear your opinion. As I said, I hope he finds success in whatever he does in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Account 5,203 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Ryan4VT said: Appomattox has won 38 of their last 40 games, including 15 straight playoff games, by running the split-back veer. It can be done, provided the right type and amount of athletes. That offense is absolutely devastating at any level of HS football if you have the personnel to run it. Hell, in the college ranks, Paul Johnson won an ACC title (and made 3 other ACC title games) doing that. It does require an extreme amount of discipline, and (1) many kids don’t have it and (2) some coaches don’t know how to instill it. #BBN and Ryan4VT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriors_XO 214 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 48 minutes ago, UVAObserver said: That offense is absolutely devastating at any level of HS football if you have the personnel to run it. Hell, in the college ranks, Paul Johnson won an ACC title (and made 3 other ACC title games) doing that. It does require an extreme amount of discipline, and (1) many kids don’t have it and (2) some coaches don’t know how to instill it. Paul Johnson runs veer and midline but not from split backs. But I agree it is a devastating offense if run correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup_rbeast 296 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Ryan4VT said: Appomattox has won 38 of their last 40 games, including 15 straight playoff games, by running the split-back veer. It can be done, provided the right type and amount of athletes. Exactly...the talent has to be there regardless of who is coaching it and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Big Blue Faithful said: That's true. Honestly, I'm not familiar with the different offenses run outside of who we played. Personally, I'm not a fan of it and believe up the gut, three yards and a cloud of dust football is the way to go. It's what Gate City was built on and was what I grew up with. If that's what you want, hope being mediocre for years is okay with you. If you wanna run the ball every play, you better have misdirection and multiple options on every play or teams will figure you out and shut you down. Now, what possible offense could let you run the ball 90% of the time, but has built in misdirection and offers options on every play? Hmm....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 For the record, I'm not a big fan of running the ball 90% of the time because it can kill you if you get behind and can't throw the ball to score quick and stop the clock. I feel like the most dangerous and most productive offenses are balanced enough to keep teams off guard and aren't predictable. With changes to the rules, the way kids play 7-on-7, and with the lack of big, beefy linemen, I think every offense should be capable of throwing the ball. Teams evolve and you always have to play to your strengths, but even the most dominant run first teams have to convert passes at some point to win against elite opponents. But, if a fan base is dead set on trying to run the ball 85-90% of the time, lining up in the I-formation with no misdirection and no option attacks is easy to game plan against. A veer or single wing or some sort of option attack can run the ball that much without being predictable, even if I still believe you gotta go vertical some to loosen up a defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Faithful 2 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 32 minutes ago, BigWinners said: For the record, I'm not a big fan of running the ball 90% of the time because it can kill you if you get behind and can't throw the ball to score quick and stop the clock. I feel like the most dangerous and most productive offenses are balanced enough to keep teams off guard and aren't predictable. With changes to the rules, the way kids play 7-on-7, and with the lack of big, beefy linemen, I think every offense should be capable of throwing the ball. Teams evolve and you always have to play to your strengths, but even the most dominant run first teams have to convert passes at some point to win against elite opponents. But, if a fan base is dead set on trying to run the ball 85-90% of the time, lining up in the I-formation with no misdirection and no option attacks is easy to game plan against. A veer or single wing or some sort of option attack can run the ball that much without being predictable, even if I still believe you gotta go vertical some to loosen up a defense. I agree that it has its shortcomings. It is not perfect by any means and, as you said, can kill you if you need alot of yards very quickly. As many people have pointed out, the veer is possible but requires alot of talent. Obviously, Gate City's talent was nowhere near what it needed to be, so I believe a solution to that lack of talent would be to have a well coached team that can run an offense like the T that doesn't require a lot of talent to execute. It's slow and drains alot of time off the clock so the other team's offense has less time to execute. If the offense is having a rough night, a tough defense (which is something Gate City is usually known for) can bail that offense out and eventually there should be an adjustment made to fix the offensive problems. It isn't very flashy or unpredictable, but it isn't meant to be. The players are to be so well coached that they could simply walk up to the line, tell the defense where the ball is going, and dare them to stop it. It doesn't incorporate passes very well, but GC would've struggled to pass out of almost any formation this past season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXSW 557 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 My heavens this thread can't end soon enough, it's like an argument with my wife, just when you think it's over it starts all over again..... OrangeStreak, Gridiron60, Grapeape and 7 others 5 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Mania 235 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, SXSW said: My heavens this thread can't end soon enough, it's like an argument with my wife, just when you think it's over it starts all over again..... THIS Warriors_XO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 From now on, just for Falcon and SWSX, I'm bumping this thread once every couple days until I die or the zombies rise. Mountain Football and Liam McPoyle 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Mania 235 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, BigWinners said: From now on, just for Falcon and SWSX, I'm bumping this thread once every couple days until I die or the zombies rise. You, my friend are all heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat 2,919 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, BigWinners said: From now on, just for Falcon and SWSX, I'm bumping this thread once every couple days until I die or the zombies rise. Election day is tomorrow. Either of your criteria could happen in a little more than 24 hours! BigWinners and Deleted Account 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvsteer 8 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 Gate City needs to be patient and find right fit for kids....tune out noisy parents etc....find a guy who will work ,establish relations and build with emphasis on kids. After all this chaos etc it is a big hire go GCHS GC_Quincy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F@lcon 47 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 If GC wants a run only guy then reed is the answer. The problem is that he builds no relationship with players. He is a jerk (can’t use the proper wording) and within 2 years the whole team will hate going to practice. Good luck. jarhead24219 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXSW 557 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 Seriously, this has more life than Mike Myers. Please let it die the death is deserves!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Football 1,532 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 If you could throw a tent over this whole mess, you would have yourself a circus. Deleted Account 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, SXSW said: Seriously, this has more life than Mike Myers. Please let it die the death is deserves!!! Mike Myers? Grapeape 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Mania 235 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 17 hours ago, SXSW said: Seriously, this has more life than Mike Myers. Please let it die the death is deserves!!! I have to agree yet again. Can this thread just die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F@lcon 47 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 Lol, I am as bad as anyone for keeping things going but you guys keep saying let it die while your posts ironically keep pushing it to the top of the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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