wave316 64 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I see GC getting in also with a win over Central.. I'm afraid Lee and Ridgeview may be a "bubble" team for lack of better word. Lee still has a tough Central team and Va High to go and if I remember right Ridgeview has Grundy and Honaker. I think Lee and Ridgeview and Grundy are bubble teams. Ridgeview needs to win out. Lee will be in tough games with Central Wise and Va High. Gate City can get lots of points with a win over Central.. Graham gets in in my opinion. So does Martinsville. GoBearsGo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBearsGo 142 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I have not seen Grundy since the preseason jamboree so I can't speak to them, and I know the Ridgeview team I saw at Union wasn't a good indication so that one could be very pivotal for those last few teams in. wave316 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wave316 64 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I have not seen Grundy since the preseason jamboree so I can't speak to them, and I know the Ridgeview team I saw at Union wasn't a good indication so that one could be very pivotal for those last few teams in. Grundy needs to win out and beat an improved Ridgeview. Gretna may not make it..They play Dan River and Altivista...they should beat Nelson County. BlueRazor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublue 939 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Updated VHSL Point Ratings for Oct. 19, 2015 for 3A, 2A and 1A West...(Also, includes teams presently on bubble...and on outside looking in ...) BristolSports â€@BHCSports 26m26 minutes ago Updated #VHSL #HCFH ratings. http://www.heraldcourier.com/sports/updated-vhsl-point-ratings/article_fcfe3f88-76a2-11e5-8ade-6fa2066091d7.html … great state wave316 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWinners 1,643 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 So Ryan, Union is better off being the #2 seed and avoiding the #4 seed Richlands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamerball 566 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I believe Ridgeview and Grundy can lose the last week and still get in depending on how some things go. Grayson County is another probable bubble team, they need to beat Fort Chiswell (should do so) and Narrows. Watch out for a team like Randolph-Henry that could sneak in there too (if they can beat Prince Edward and Nottoway at least). Gretna probably needs to beat either Dan River or Altavista then get the win over Nelson for a good shot. Va High probably needs to beat Lee. The battle for 8th could be tight too. wave316 and GoBearsGo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wave316 64 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I believe Ridgeview and Grundy can lose the last week and still get in depending on how some things go. Grayson County is another probable bubble team, they need to beat Fort Chiswell (should do so) and Narrows. Watch out for a team like Randolph-Henry that could sneak in there too. Gretna probably needs to beat either Dan River or Altavista then get the win over Nelson for a good shot. Va High probably needs to beat Lee. Gretna will have a hard road with Dan River and Altivista. And I give Va High the edge over Lee. Graham should make it in with their remaining schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO 316 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 AHS wins and loses another spot. System sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniON_FoOtBaLL 68 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 That's a big drop from glenvar at 3 to Richlands at 4 I don't see Richlands getting in the top 3 IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think the system is just fine, Abingdons overall soft schedule is whats hurting them. If more emphysis was put on winning Abingdon would schedule every Hogo team except GW. Not bashing Abingdon, just stating facts. If Ridgeview wins out theyre in, lose a game and its iffy. Win out and maybe get a good first round matchup, lose and if they get in they will face a top flight team. Personally I want to see Central again wave316 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO 316 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 The soft schedule can't be helped due to travel/budget restrictions. 2 teams above them have lost 2 games. I can understand some teams with 1 loss......but 2 losses? Doesn't seem right. Like I said before, AHS had 2 losses last year and barely missed a home playoff game. They may go undefeated this year and still not get a home playoff game. System sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Then how would you improve the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Bob 491 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 The bye week does not necessarily change a teams position. It is the rider points they get, while on a bye, from teams they have played that may slightly effect their points average. The total points are divided by the number of games played at a particular time. Teams are not "jumped" at the end of the season just because they are on a bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcotton 40 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I believe Ridgeview and Grundy can lose the last week and still get in depending on how some things go. Grayson County is another probable bubble team, they need to beat Fort Chiswell (should do so) and Narrows. Watch out for a team like Randolph-Henry that could sneak in there too (if they can beat Prince Edward and Nottoway at least). Gretna probably needs to beat either Dan River or Altavista then get the win over Nelson for a good shot. Va High probably needs to beat Lee. The battle for 8th could be tight too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBearsGo 142 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Really good point on the 8 spot from Beamerball a few comments up.. Having that first round at home is a big bonus, especially for a team who may be surging late in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeSWVAFan 36 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 So Ryan, Union is better off being the #2 seed and avoiding the #4 seed Richlands? If Abingdon beats Richlands, Richlands will fall to six, four through six are very tight. Union's best bracket involes this in my opinion. Joryiklaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRazor 1,147 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 If the playoffs started today .....#4 Richlands would host #13 Lee. Then the winner would play the winner of #5 Buckingham vs. #12 Martinsville. But like has been stated....everybody past 5 or 6 is really going to change a lot. If Richlands stays at #4 they will host #13 The winner of #4 vs. #13 plays winner of #5 vs.#12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHC87 60 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Abingdon attempted to beef up its' schedule this year by dropping Volunteer, Happy Valley and Chilhowie. The Falcons picked up B'Burg, C'Burg and Graham. Normally those 3 new teams are at least somewhat respectable as is Gate City who has been on the schedule this year. Despite the efforts to improve the schedule, those teams along with others on the schedule just aren't having good years in the win column. There is no doubt that geography hurts Abingdon in scheduling equal to or higher enrollment schools. John Battle does not help Abingdon from a ratings standpoint but the gate for this game and Marion is usually good to very good. The school administrators don't have the luxury of dropping schools who bring many fans to the game. Almost every other 3A West school has the opportunity to play most of their games against 3A or higher opponents. All things equal, the close proximity of higher enrollment schools can be a definite advantage in power rankings. The re-classification probably worked out pretty well for the majority of schools across the state. Abingdon just happened to be one of the few schools who are truly hampered by geography as it pertains to finding quality opponents of similar enrollment. However, as it is often said, there is usually someone in worse shape than you if you just take the time to look around. That school is undoubtedly Franklin County High School who is a 6A school without any comparable schools remotely close to them. As a Falcon fan, I would love the opportunity to host a home playoff game. However, there really doesn't appear to be a viable way to produce a schedule that would produce the same power points as almost all of our 3A opponents with similar records. I suppose Graham could be dropped and Pulaski could potentially be added. Pulaski would have to agree to play Abingdon (and vice versa) and the dates would have to match up on the calendar. Scheduling can be a very difficult task. Big O, I am with you on the way you feel about AHS not being able to have much control over their seeding based on the formula.....our school size and distance from other 3, 4 and 5A schools can make our seeding situation difficult and it might be a situation that we have to accept. As I see it, AHS really only has 2 games a year that could be used to improve our strength. We have 4 required district games, Battle, Marion and 2 Conference 32 teams that we are going to play. That leaves 2 games that could be changed. Gate City has been on our schedule for several years now and they are usually a high quality opponent. 2A or not, scheduling them makes sense because they have a long history of success. Though I don't like our situation, the formula is fair. I certainly don't want our players, or fans, to think that the power ranking situation is something that is holding us back. At the end of the day, AHS still has an opportunity to take care of things on the field of play....home or away. Didn't mean to ramble on about the situation but we just need to focus on the things that we can control which is our play on the field. Thanks to all who have taken the time to read my post. First post for me but I've been reading this forum for several years and have gotten lots of entertainment from it. Hope all out there in SWVA football land have a great evening. Go Falcons and Go EHC! redtiger and Bigrhsfan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO 316 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well said EHC. I guess I just hate the fact that we don't fully control our own fate. But, as you said, control the controllables and move on. (I say that with a grumbling attitude...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Bob 491 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I wonder if Abingdon has ever tried to schedule Tenn. High, D-B or even one of the Sullivan County schools (Central, East, North). Travel distance would not be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Part of the problem is Marion and Graham. Not that they aren't solid opponents(neither are great this season and that hurts) but who they play. They both play a lot of 1A schools because of their districts and not necessarily very good 1As. It hurts Abingdon. Imo gotta get those two off the schedule and add some big NET schools. As far as the travel issues go, that argument is legit. Abingdon is isolated from 3/4A competition but they are traveling almost 80 miles to Graham when Letcher Central KY is also about 80 miles away(I know just because theyre there doesn't mean the schedule will work) and Letcher counts as either a 3 or a 4 A in VA. EHC87 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain man 121 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 How about Washington County School board changing its policy and making kids that live outside of Abingdon go to JB, Holston, and PH. UNLESS they can play football Lol BlueRazor and EHC87 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHC87 60 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 redtiger, you must have had one of my conversations with school officials bugged :) I was told there are 2 factors making NET difficult (not impossible) to schedule. One issue is that TN schools scheduling contract year(s) are not on the same cycle as Virginia Schools. The second issue presented was TN re-classifying on a regular basis. Because of the uncertainty of their (NET) required district and/or conference requirements, they are limited in the amount of out of conference games and have to wait later to determine how many and who they can schedule. I still believe where there is a will, there is a way. Either way, this is the system in which we operate. As I said earlier, there are only a few schools in the state that are faced with the geographical issues that AHS has relating to location of same classification opponents. It is unlikely that the issues of a few schools will cause the VHSL to change whatever direction they choose to go in determining formats, etc. In a way, the power rating format and challenges might be good for AHS players down the road. Sometimes in life, situations aren't always equitable and out of our control to change. In those situations, you just have to do the best you can within the parameters of the system and know that you've put forth your best effort. Hope all players across SWVA play to their ability on Friday night and avoid injury. Have a great day everyone! redtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtiger 1,740 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 The easy solution is redrawing district lines to increase the enrollments of Battle and PH(PH in particular given their diminishing enrollment) and drop Abingdon to a AA. There is a very good lesson to be learned by the students of Abingdon, sometimes things aren't fair and you have to make the best of it. Franklin County was mentioned, given their growth in the past 30 years im surprised they haven't built another high school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50kw 140 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 The easy solution is redrawing district lines to increase the enrollments of Battle and PH(PH in particular given their diminishing enrollment) and drop Abingdon to a AA. There is a very good lesson to be learned by the students of Abingdon, sometimes things aren't fair and you have to make the best of it. Franklin County was mentioned, given their growth in the past 30 years im surprised they haven't built another high school. Washington County School Board would rather PH and JSB go away than to decrease the boundaries of AHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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