Tazewell Vs Va High

[honestjohn]

2 hours ago, bulldog05-CO2017 said:

Why don’t you read the threads, it’s been explained 3 times, or watch the game on NFHS, it’s clear as day. Stevie Wonder could’ve seen it. No one is crying, it was terrible officiating. 

I watched the game, had no idea what happened on that play, but I did not see a lot of bad calls. Normal SW VA referring.

[GilesBandanaMan]

Officials mostly do their best just like everyone else. They make mistakes and it's as simple as that 99 percent of the time. It's the 1% that do it intentionally, literally attempting to effect the games outcome that need weeding out.  It's very very rare and 99 percent or more of bad calls are mistakes or an official getting emotionally influenced by the home ground, but not intentional. But like any craft or profession, there will be some bad apples. We have some crooked judges, police, doctors, clergy, and officiating isn't exempt. The overwhelming majority try to do the right thing.

Just my opinion above. The guy just made a mistake. 

[goose111874]

1 hour ago, BandanaVTDavis4321 said:

Officials mostly do their best just like everyone else. They make mistakes and it's as simple as that 99 percent of the time. It's the 1% that do it intentionally, literally attempting to effect the games outcome that need weeding out.  It's very very rare and 99 percent or more of bad calls are mistakes or an official getting emotionally influenced by the home ground, but not intentional. But like any craft or profession, there will be some bad apples. We have some crooked judges, police, doctors, clergy, and officiating isn't exempt. The overwhelming majority try to do the right thing.

Just my opinion above. The guy just made a mistake. 

Exactly except in Kentucky I don’t care who disagrees they cheat 

[Pioneer]

On 10/5/2024 at 1:43 PM, bulldog05-CO2017 said:

Damn, Lebanon fans are finally having a decent season and are getting cocky ain’t they? Lol. Im kidding, I’m happy to see Lebanon do decent. I love watching lebanons qb and rb. But let’s be real, that’s about like saying Texas is good based off of who they played. 

And who exactly has Tazewell beat this season? I think the combined record of the teams they  have beat is 2-14. They've lost to the decent to good teams they have played. 

Im actually not a Lebanon fan, I was because I taught there. I don't now. My loyalty lies elsewhere as far as high school sports are concerned. 

[tornado99]

This is one of the matchups for SWD runners-up that I’m really interested in currently. I still stand by my post currently that Lebanon, Tazewell, and Virginia High are toss-ups, but still giving Lebanon the slight edge of the 3 by being able to run and pass. That said, I take the Bulldogs in a close one.

[Beaverdad16]

VA High gave Graham all they wanted. Not only do they win, I don’t see it being close at all. Bearcats by at least 21 

[S10SQUAREBODY4LIFE]

Winner of this one possibly gets into top 4 depending on the rest of their winnable games and what happens with union vs rv & ab.

 

Graham 

U/Vhs/taz/gc/leb

Lee/mar/cen

Jsb/rich

 

[chipinbogey]

On 10/5/2024 at 2:11 PM, bulldog05-CO2017 said:

I get that, but if he can’t do any better he needs to find a new profession. Cause he made a terrible call, and could have got a kid seriously hurt. 

Terrible take here. I feel like it needs to be said that every official you see on Friday night does something else as a profession. This is no one’s primary source of income or their defining contribution to society.

I haven’t seen the play in question, but have seen a lot of things to affect games. Guess what? It happens. Every Friday night, from sea to shining sea.  Every official prepares to NOT affect the game when we step on the field. I have NEVER had or been part of a conversation that would put one team at an advantage over another. Bad calls happen and here’s why. It happens because there is a human element involved and humans by nature, make mistakes. It sounds like they found the only remedy provided to them for the situation they found themselves in. I’m sorry that did not let your team win by the score you feel they were entitled to win by. 
 

To circle back to your original comment, suppose the official you think you find a “new profession”, does in fact do that? Where do you reckon we should find his or her replacement? 

[tornado99]

51 minutes ago, Beaverdad16 said:

VA High gave Graham all they wanted. Not only do they win, I don’t see it being close at all. Bearcats by at least 21 

They usually give Graham trouble with their athletes, but the Bearcats record isn’t exactly stellar. I don’t remember specifically, but the PH game was barely won and they didn’t have much for the Wolfpack. Tazewell beating Grundy is similar. I think these are 2 teams that somewhat mirror each other and Tazewell is good enough athletically to match the Bearcats. I also give the Bulldogs the edge at QB and the lines.

[Real Sasquatch]

1 hour ago, Beaverdad16 said:

VA High gave Graham all they wanted. Not only do they win, I don’t see it being close at all. Bearcats by at least 21 

Graham beat V High by 7 last year and then Tazewell beat V High 54-24.  You can't tell by those scores.  I think it was more of Graham having a bad game, then V-High being that good.  I think the jury is still out on both the Bulldogs and the Bearcats.  

[Mountain Football]

Not trying to hijack the thread here but........where did the Va High QB from a couple years ago end up at? Is he still playing anywhere?

[tornado99]

2 minutes ago, Mountain Football said:

Not trying to hijack the thread here but........where did the Va High QB from a couple years ago end up at? Is he still playing anywhere?

Linebacker at VT.

[GilesBandanaMan]

1 hour ago, chipinbogey said:

 Every Friday night, from sea to shining sea.  Every official prepares to NOT affect the game when we step on the field. 

I agree with every thing you wrote Chip and your premise is spot on EXCEPT the word "Every." That implies ALL officials in the US or 100% of them. That's not the way life works my friend. I think it applies to 99 percent or more officials, but not ALL or EVERY. 

Look, we have men and women that cheat on their husband's and wives regularly in humanity across the world and we have humans that drink and drive daily and we have humans that tell lies. We have humans that cheat yearly on taxes. Every human profession or skill has the above including doctors, lawyers, judges police, military, preachers, airline pilots that fly intoxicated etc.......but somehow, someway.....when Every official in the USA that walks onto the field, he regains 100 percent moral clarity for those 2 hours and absolutely complies with 100 percent moral decency? That's not the way human nature works and statistically its impossible. 

I agree with everything you wrote except the implication that ALL officials act with moral clarity and intentional decency. Like the professions above, most people overwhelmingly do the right thing including officials, but there is always that 1% in every profession and that's a conservative estimate.

As for the Grundy play. Missed call, bad decision, but zero intent, not on purpose.

[stu_bean]

16 hours ago, BandanaVTDavis4321 said:

I agree with every thing you wrote Chip and your premise is spot on EXCEPT the word "Every." That implies ALL officials in the US or 100% of them. That's not the way life works my friend. I think it applies to 99 percent or more officials, but not ALL or EVERY. 

Look, we have men and women that cheat on their husband's and wives regularly in humanity across the world and we have humans that drink and drive daily and we have humans that tell lies. We have humans that cheat yearly on taxes. Every human profession or skill has the above including doctors, lawyers, judges police, military, preachers, airline pilots that fly intoxicated etc.......but somehow, someway.....when Every official in the USA that walks onto the field, he regains 100 percent moral clarity for those 2 hours and absolutely complies with 100 percent moral decency? That's not the way human nature works and statistically its impossible. 

I agree with everything you wrote except the implication that ALL officials act with moral clarity and intentional decency. Like the professions above, most people overwhelmingly do the right thing including officials, but there is always that 1% in every profession and that's a conservative estimate.

As for the Grundy play. Missed call, bad decision, but zero intent, not on purpose.

I'm not going to say one way or another but there was more than one instance.  That was the biggest of course but some questionable ball spots.  The last TD by Taz that another ref acted very strange on.  NFHS isnt a good way to judge these calls.  I was there and zoomed in to watch a few on camera myself at the end and all I will say is ball was being spotted vary favorably for Grundy for sure.

Now same as before on to this week and let's see what happens.  If Dogs can play to their capability they will handle them.  If they come out flat it will be a long night.  They should win but anything can happen, just ask fans of Bama and Rocky Flop.

[DeletedAccount]

Dogs "should" win. I also thought that the Grundy game would have been over by halftime or the 3rd quarter. Something is off somewhere. Just seems to be a lack of motivation or "want to" on the field. And almost no fire among the players. The first quarter is usually like a Walking Dead episode, not counting the Richlands game, but of course, it was a rivalry. The size of that line should take over ball games, but they just appear to be speedbumps sometimes. 

I will still go with the Dogs, but a lot closer than I would like to pick or bet on.

[Union_Fan]

17 hours ago, Real Sasquatch said:

Graham beat V High by 7 last year and then Tazewell beat V High 54-24.  You can't tell by those scores.  I think it was more of Graham having a bad game, then V-High being that good.  I think the jury is still out on both the Bulldogs and the Bearcats.  

It seems the jury is still out on lots of teams, along with outside factors blurring that perception. Whether it's injuries, weak schedules, effects of the weather on practices and game schedules, power outages on mental and emotional preparation, or whatever else, it's been difficult to gauge a lot thus far.

I can see either team winning this game and the margin could be anywhere from 7-21 points. I do think it will be a good one, and I game I'll be watching on NFHS after the fact.

[GilesBandanaMan]

2 hours ago, stu_bean said:

I'm not going to say one way or another but there was more than one instance.  That was the biggest of course but some questionable ball spots.  The last TD by Taz that another ref acted very strange on.  NFHS isnt a good way to judge these calls.  I was there and zoomed in to watch a few on camera myself at the end and all I will say is ball was being spotted vary favorably for Grundy for sure.

Now same as before on to this week and let's see what happens.  If Dogs can play to their capability they will handle them.  If they come out flat it will be a long night.  They should win but anything can happen, just ask fans of Bama and Rocky Flop.

The play in more question out of all of them is the one you mentioned. The one ball spot in the 4th qtr was actually the biggest mistake that was approaching the "how is that possible" question. The kickoff and early whistle was a Clear-cut mistake and it is possible to do by an official. It ain't pretty, but it isn't on purpose. The biggest play in question for me was the ball spot in the 4th that gave Grundy a first down and the runner was at least...at least a yard short. 

As a former basketball and baseball official (I never did football)...if you do have a bad apple in the bunch, he's going to be alone. It's not going to be the entire "crew" that has decided to do bad things. It will be one guy acting on his own and he will not share it with the rest of the crew and more than likely in football, it will present with pass interference calls more than holding calls. 

The one exception to all of the above? Disregard everything I wrote as it relates to George Simon formerly of Bluefield. I like George personally (loved him) but George internally (in my opinion only) felt he literally had a DUTY to help out the Beavers and that what he was doing was actually "Good" for the community, LMAO. Loved that guy though. 

I think that officials by in large when they take the field, are MORE honest (by percentage) compared to about any profession or craft, even compared to pilots, physicians, judges, police, etc but again, they are human and human nature tells us that roughly 1 percent of the male population is the USA meets diagnostic criteria for psychopathy (ASPD) which means, for every 100 males you pass by on the street, 1 in 100 has little or no conscience. Officials aren't exempt from the rule.

[1inStripes]

The hardest thing for me unless a mechanic has changed and I can’t imagine why, is why is the R not on the goal line anyway?  That or did he step up to the 5 after the ball was kicked away for some odd reason.  I am sure it was an honest mistake. We have all been there especially when inadvertent whistles happen. There are two types of officials.  Those who have committed an inadvertent whistle and those who will.  You always hope they don’t have a big impact on the game when they happen.  Thankfully more often than not they do not have a significant impact. 

[EH31]

3 hours ago, 1inStripes said:

The hardest thing for me unless a mechanic has changed and I can’t imagine why, is why is the R not on the goal line anyway?  That or did he step up to the 5 after the ball was kicked away for some odd reason.  I am sure it was an honest mistake. We have all been there especially when inadvertent whistles happen. There are two types of officials.  Those who have committed an inadvertent whistle and those who will.  You always hope they don’t have a big impact on the game when they happen.  Thankfully more often than not they do not have a significant impact. 

He was standing on the 10. 

[SpillBoss]

6 hours ago, LacesOutDan23 said:

 Something is off somewhere. Just seems to be a lack of motivation or "want to" on the field.

I agree, still think it’s a mental thing. Not sure if the coach(s) or players fix that, probably both. That line is way too valuable to lose motivation like that. They are a necessity to get that running game going.

[1inStripes]

12 hours ago, EH31 said:

He was standing on the 10. 

Thanks.  I can somewhat understand why it happened now.  Not saying it should have but being out of position is why a high percentage of officiating mistakes happen.  Sounds as though that was the case here unfortunately. 

[Bulldogs52]

On 10/7/2024 at 3:03 PM, LacesOutDan23 said:

Dogs "should" win. I also thought that the Grundy game would have been over by halftime or the 3rd quarter. Something is off somewhere. Just seems to be a lack of motivation or "want to" on the field. And almost no fire among the players. The first quarter is usually like a Walking Dead episode, not counting the Richlands game, but of course, it was a rivalry. The size of that line should take over ball games, but they just appear to be speedbumps sometimes. 

I will still go with the Dogs, but a lot closer than I would like to pick or bet on.

They went down there thinking it was gonna be a cake walk! 

[jeffro]

 Im going with Va. high in a close game, 21-14 type of battle

[THS6805]

Tazewell is going have open offense up. It seems be lacking for few weeks. Can't keep the defense out for long periods of time. 

[Real Sasquatch]

Grundy ran the ball well on Tazewell, but they run the ball very well and it's hard to get to the RB with all of the guys blocking.  It seemed like the whole team was blocking for the RB at times.  V-High has a good running game, but the running plays are more of the traditional type of running plays.  I think Tazewell's defense will fare a little better against V-High.   This is Tazewell's Homecoming and they will be motivated to win.  I'm going with the Dogs by 10 to 14.