Backyard Brawl: Tazewell at Richlands

[DB-6130 25]

Can this be put on NFHS. I will be at the ridge but would like to watch the action. Maybe even put a countdown to 5:45 on the game clock to add extra excitement. 

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4 minutes ago, DB-6130 said:

Can this be put on NFHS. I will be at the ridge but would like to watch the action. Maybe even put a countdown to 5:45 on the game clock to add extra excitement. 

Why sure!  We might even get the SWVA Sportsbook to post odds.  Make it a grand ol' time!

 

If nothing else, at least this served to get a pretty dead thread rolling again.  I'm looking forward to this game more than any game I've called in some time.

[UnionGuy2017 182]

Where is @BigWinners when you need him 🤣

[Gridiron60 2,555]

Ernie Hicks Press Box 5:45pm Friday Night , get ready to rumble 😂😂😂😂! 

[Observer 78]

@UVAObserver you really are the a$$hat that everybody said you are

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1 minute ago, Observer said:

@UVAObserver you really are the a$$hat that everybody said you are

Mighty presumptive of you to believe that I care in the slightest what you, or anyone on this message board whom I don't know personally, think.

Besides, you were the one that made your little comment specifically referencing me by name.  If you rattle the big dog's cage, don't complain and whine when the big dog snaps at you.

[Mountain Football 1,532]

32 minutes ago, UnionGuy2017 said:

Where is @BigWinners when you need him 🤣

@BigWinners will be the special guest referee.

[Observer 78]

5 minutes ago, UVAObserver said:

Mighty presumptive of you to believe that I care in the slightest what you, or anyone on this message board whom I don't know personally, think.

Besides, you were the one that made your little comment specifically referencing me by name.  If you rattle the big dog's cage, don't complain and whine when the big dog snaps at you.

Not whining, just stating a fact.  Also, self-proclaiming yourself as the big dog says a lot about you.

[Union_Fan 2,155]

36 minutes ago, UnionGuy2017 said:

Where is @BigWinners when you need him 🤣

 

3 minutes ago, Mountain Football said:

@BigWinners will be the special guest referee.

I figured he'd be the unannounced tag team partner hiding under the ring with a steel chair. 😂

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5 minutes ago, Union_Fan said:

 

I figured he'd be the unannounced tag team partner hiding under the ring with a steel chair. 😂

Out of reactions, but this one made me cackle.

[DB-6130 25]

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25 minutes ago, Observer said:

Not whining, just stating a fact.  Also, self-proclaiming yourself as the big dog says a lot about you.

A fact is a datum about one or more aspects of a circumstance, which, if accepted as true and proven true, allows a logical conclusion to be reached on a true/false evaluation.

An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts.

 

Examples of facts:

(1) Carter Creasy has more passing yards in his career than Ryan O'Quinn.

(2) Carter Creasy has more passing touchdowns in his career than Ryan O'Quinn.

(3) Tazewell beat Richlands 21-19 in the Spring 2021 football season.

(4) The Mountain 7 Conference has yet to send a representative to the VHSL 2A Championship Game.

 

Examples of opinions:

(1) UVAObserver is an asshat because he calls people out for unintelligent comments.

(2) Observer is a whiner and crier because he can't take the heat when he mocks someone and that someone responds.

(3) BigWinners would be an OK guy if he exercised just a little more brain power on a consistent basis.

 

I know at SWD schools, they teach the difference between facts and opinions in 1st grade.  I can't vouch for M7 schools, but apparently, some (not all) pupils need to retake the lessons.

[Counts 156]

Not picking I just like stats do you have the breakdown between O'Quinn and Creasy? Passing Yards, Passing TDs, Attempts/Completions, Rushing Yards and TDs with Attempts?

Not picking which one is the best QB but given that thy seem to be the 2 top QBs in SWVA over the last 2 years it would be fun to follow there progress over there careers.

[Observer 78]

2 hours ago, UVAObserver said:

Come up to the press box at Ernie Hicks on Friday and try me.  I'll be wearing my black Tazewell Bulldog Radio Network shirt with black pants.  I'll call that pathetic attempt at a bluff right now, son.

FACT:  UVAObserver threatened Tornado99 on a public forum.  Not a good look for a lawyer.  

[Popeye 32]

invitatio ad offerendum

[Duke2015 451]

1 hour ago, Observer said:

FACT:  UVAObserver threatened Tornado99 on a public forum.  Not a good look for a lawyer.  

I’m still trying to figure out how the M7 has never sent a team to the state championship has anything to do with who the better QB is

[SwvaOG 601]

1 hour ago, Counts said:

Not picking I just like stats do you have the breakdown between O'Quinn and Creasy? Passing Yards, Passing TDs, Attempts/Completions, Rushing Yards and TDs with Attempts?

Not picking which one is the best QB but given that thy seem to be the 2 top QBs in SWVA over the last 2 years it would be fun to follow there progress over there careers.

I try to be fair and impartial with comparisons and I'm not a fan of comparing as someone is always diminished.  That being said here is my take;

 O'Quinn has the better release and arm strength.  I would be willing to wager his deep ball is 10-13 yards longer as I've seen the kid hit 55yards in person with my own eyes.  Too often he puts too much air under it and it ends up around 40 yards.

Creasy is asked to make short/intermediate accurate throws.  He is a very accurate QB.  He has a hitch in his throwing motion that needs to be ironed out.  I feel like that limits his deep ball and, to me, this makes him more of a system QB.  I think he is a very good candidate for a system QB and I feel like that is what Tazewell's offense is.  Creasy will probably finish with better stats as he will run that same system for four years.  O'Quinn is already on his second coach in two years of varsity.

Creasy is a good runner...above average.  O'Quinn is a great runner and is already 6'2/6'3" and around 200lbs...he is physical and I watched the kid seek out and punish a Galax DB who flew up on him hard in the open field.   He ran completely over the kid and that kid was feeling that the next couple of plays...lol.  To me...he plays with a bit of edge and I expect him to be a 2000-2500 yard career rusher when its all said and done.  

Creasy is playing in an offense that is suited to him and he thrives.  With the exception of some recently crappy play calls for O'Quinn, he has played in a system and thrived.  Now, the tale of the tape is if you could switch them and they would thrive in each other's system.  O'Quinn would be a 75% completion rate in J'Me's offense and would open up Harris to more deep shots and Creasy's completion % would drop in Ridgeview's due to more deep shots.  Additionally, I don't think Creasy has the arm-strength to throw deep to a full speed Beavers who still occasionally outruns O'Quinn's throws.  I think this is why you see more back-shoulder throws to Harris in the Tazewell offense....which is something RV should implement.

I'm sure both are great kids and they are great QBs and I hope like heck they battle for the next couple of years.  Both will lose their primary WRs after this year so it will be interesting to see how they do without those all-state Sr WRs.  These two QBs really do have a lot in common.

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1 hour ago, Observer said:

FACT:  UVAObserver threatened Tornado99 on a public forum.  Not a good look for a lawyer.  

2 minutes ago, Popeye said:

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Stated perfectly, Popeye.  (1) OP made a perjorative statement about my character.  (2) I stated that I would be happy to prove his opinion inaccurate, and suggested a place and time where such philosophical adjustment might take place.  There's no threat directly stated or reasonably implied.  I never stated that I would assault or batter the OP, nowhere close.  I stated that, if he truly believed that and was cocksure enough to personally confront me on it, I'd be more than happy to settle the issue anyplace, anytime.  Hopefully such a thing would never happen in the first place, because I highly doubt someone in their right state of mind would say something like that to me in a personal setting.   I would never throw a first punch; I would, however, throw a last one. 

OP made an inappropriate bluff, and I called him on it.  Simple as that.

Both persons who have derailed this thread have specifically called me out, and are now aghast that I would dare respond to it.  Where's the Shocked Pikachu Face when I need it?

 

BTW, @Observer, you might want to use better discretion when referencing people on this site.  There's a huge difference between @Tornado 🌪 99 (an online troll who's lurked for 1 year and been active about 17 days, give or take) and @tornado99 (a person for whom I have a significant amount of respect based upon his contributions on this site for 17 years).

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10 minutes ago, SwvaOG said:

I try to be fair and impartial with comparisons and I'm not a fan of comparing as someone is always diminished.  That being said here is my take;

 O'Quinn has the better release and arm strength.  I would be willing to wager his deep ball is 10-13 yards longer as I've seen the kid hit 55yards in person with my own eyes.  Too often he puts too much air under it and it ends up around 40 yards.

Creasy is asked to make short/intermediate accurate throws.  He is a very accurate QB.  He has a hitch in his throwing motion that needs to be ironed out.  I feel like that limits his deep ball and, to me, this makes him more of a system QB.  I think he is a very good candidate for a system QB and I feel like that is what Tazewell's offense is.  Creasy will probably finish with better stats as he will run that same system for four years.  O'Quinn is already on his second coach in two years of varsity.

Creasy is a good runner...above average.  O'Quinn is a great runner and is already 6'2/6'3" and around 200lbs...he is physical and I watched the kid seek out and punish a Galax DB who flew up on him hard in the open field.   He ran completely over the kid and that kid was feeling that the next couple of plays...lol.  To me...he plays with a bit of edge and I expect him to be a 2000-2500 yard career rusher when its all said and done.  

Creasy is playing in an offense that is suited to him and he thrives.  With the exception of some recently crappy play calls for O'Quinn, he has played in a system and thrived.  Now, the tale of the tape is if you could switch them and they would thrive in each other's system.  O'Quinn would be a 75% completion rate in J'Me's offense and would open up Harris to more deep shots and Creasy's completion % would drop in Ridgeview's due to more deep shots.  Additionally, I don't think Creasy has the arm-strength to throw deep to a full speed Beavers who still occasionally outruns O'Quinn's throws.  I think this is why you see more back-shoulder throws to Harris in the Tazewell offense....which is something RV should implement.

I'm sure both are great kids and they are great QBs and I hope like heck they battle for the next couple of years.  Both will lose their primary WRs after this year so it will be interesting to see how they do without those all-state Sr WRs.  These two QBs really do have a lot in common.

Now see, this is good discussion that produces an excellent conversation!  I know we had disagreements elsewhere, but I appreciate this.

 

If Creasy ran the read-option as well as his predecessor, Gavin Nunley, this wouldn't even be a discussion.  Creasy runs it pretty well, but Nunley was a magician with the ball and made the right read 95%+ of the time.  Of course, Nunley couldn't throw the ball farther than 15 yards in a live situation, so that substantially limited the ceiling of the passing offense.  With the OL between 2019-2021, he really didn't have to all that often.  Different QBs, different OLs, different systems essentially.  What folks don't remember is that Creasy ran for over 600 yards last season, and it would have been awfully close to 1000 if not for over 350 yards lost due to sacks.  Presuming no severe injuries, he'll hit that 2000-2500 yard career mark also.  

 

I'm not sure that I'd agree that O'Quinn would be more prolific than Creasy if the roles were reversed.  Creasy's completion rate is 63.6% for the 2022 season (if my math is correct), despite (a) getting injured in Game #1; (b) playing a 2A powerhouse while injured in Game #2; (c) sitting Games #3 and #4; and (d) playing Game #5 in a hurricane's remnants where, at one point, 5 straight accurate passes were dropped.  I'm not saying that O'Quinn would be poor in it, but the law of diminishing returns is a very real concept here.  It's harder every percentage point you climb, as the misses shave more than the makes add.  

 

In terms of projecting both, Creasy is much more fundamentally found from the leg down, while O'Quinn doesn't have the hitch from the waist up.  I've noticed on film that O'Quinn isn't particularly consistent with his feet, particularly on shorter passes.  Several throws, he will take steps, return to a flat-footed position, then throw the ball.  He has the athleticism and skill to get away with that against most 2A teams, but in terms of the better passer, it's a red mark.  Creasy has worked to eliminate that hitch, though it shows up when he tries to do something with the ball that isn't the textbook throw.  I have seen him hit WRs 40+ yards downfield in game action though, and he's made a few 60+ yard throws in 7-on-7 play.

 

I will say that I'm anxious to see how both develop, and I'm looking forward to seeing them square off in 2023 and 2024.

[RichlandsAlum 678]

As a complete aside, I was trying to explain this rivalry to one of my current neighbors outside the area.  Couldn't really make them understand how I could simultaneously state that I hate Tazewell but I have many lifelong friends who are THS alumni, I tend to pull for them in the postseason (unless they face Richlands), and I'd be willing to fight any outsider who makes a disparaging remark about them or the area in general.  Perhaps it is due to my heaping helping of Scots heritage.

That's enough for now.  Get back at it, Observer and.... Observer.

[Austrian Ben Shapiro 66]

Reminder that this game is for 2nd place in Tazewell County and Richlands is 1-5 and Tazewell enters at 3-3. 
this rivalry is great for the feud above as neither of these teams is winning anything worthwhile this year. 

[RichlandsAlum 678]

6 minutes ago, Austrian Ben Shapiro said:

Reminder that this game is for 2nd place in Tazewell County and Richlands is 1-5 and Tazewell enters at 3-3. 
this rivalry is great for the feud above as neither of these teams is winning anything worthwhile this year. 

Don't try to confuse any of us with the facts, please.

[Hokiebird7 1,416]

New fact I learned today...we now have a BIG DOG on this site lol

[SwvaOG 601]

1 hour ago, RichlandsAlum said:

As a complete aside, I was trying to explain this rivalry to one of my current neighbors outside the area.  Couldn't really make them understand how I could simultaneously state that I hate Tazewell but I have many lifelong friends who are THS alumni, I tend to pull for them in the postseason (unless they face Richlands), and I'd be willing to fight any outsider who makes a disparaging remark about them or the area in general.  Perhaps it is due to my heaping helping of Scots heritage.

That's enough for now.  Get back at it, Observer and.... Observer.

I particularly enjoyed scoring touchdowns against the Dawgs and I remind my few Tazewell friends about it whenever beers flow. But that was back when they were really good and had an ugly yellow to go with their ugly green.  😂

[bleedblue89 99]

Is it sad that I am now looking forward to the throw down in the press box more than the football game?