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  1. falconfan1

    Chris Kelly Union

    I find it ironic that Grapeape wanted this thread locked and then continued to comment on it.
    7 points
  2. If changes need to be made, if incidents occurred with students, why the hell is a guy with developmental issues who, to my knowledge, has NEVER been anything but positive and supportive of all things Union (and Powell Valley, etc..) and didn't do anything wrong getting punished, but the bozo administration is still in place? It makes ZERO sense. If changes need to be made, start at the damn top, not the bottom.
    5 points
  3. #BBN

    Chris Kelly Union

    Exactly BigWinners, I have known and been around Chris since I was very young, he used to join in on our back yard whiffle ball/baseball games, and has supported Appalachia, Powell Valley, and now Union with everything in him!!! I am sure he has done wrong or said some things he shouldn't have said, but everybody in this world has done that, and made things right and moved on. In my high school playing days, I can remember him calling me Mike Piazza, and would say I was one of the bash brothers!! In football, you never had to worry about walking to get water, a towel, or anything from the sidelines. I have reffed 8th grade, JV football, or youth football, and a kid would get hurt, and Chris would come out and ask the kids name and go off to the side and start praying for the kid!!! Everytime I have seen Chris, he will always shake my hand, and before he left he would say I love ya man. To me this is a slap in the face to anybody with a disabled or mentally challenged kid, and is a big @$×+ you, we don't care about you type attitude. The behavior that has been allowed to go on is disrespectful, senseless, and down right shameful. What are we teaching the future generations, that it is okay to treat some with disrespect, and just blame it on boys being boys..........I am far from innocent when it comes to doing disrespectful things as a kid, teenager, but I was taught and raised better than to think it was okay to pick on/humiliate someone with a disability, and was disciplined accordingly. As for Chris supposedly roaming the halls of the school during school hours, I don't know if that is true, and if it is I can understand the administration wanting to stop it, but at 330 he should be welcome to come and volunteer his time and support! He has done it 30+ years and has never asked for anything in return. This whole event disgust me, for Chris, for the community, and the school itself. The things done to Chris, was set aside and overlooked because Chris was willing to forgive and turn the other cheek.......and in the end he is the one who is being punished because he was mistreated. Accountability needs to take place for the actions done by the people who made fun of Chris, and vandlized his property. Everybody take a step back, and put yourself in Chris's shoes or Chris's family's shoes, how would you feel, what would you do?
    3 points
  4. BlueDevil4life2008 its less about no one having the guts to discuss the issues and more about what apparently went on and it involving juveniles. I know I wont talk about those type of issues on here. I dont know Chris Kelly but he was apparently treated very poorly by some athletes at "The U", and it was allowed to go on by coaches and administration. Then they remove him as a solution to terrible behavior by players. According to his sisters statement Goforth had nothing to do with the original decision to remove Kelly from school activities and now that hes acting principal has decided to keep him involved. Sports can be a beautiful thing in people's lives but it can also be very ugly. The whole situation at Union is pretty ugly
    2 points
  5. UNION#ATW

    Chris Kelly Union

    I don't have all the details yet..THEY HAVE REVERSED THIER DECISION CHRIS BEING APART OF UNION SPORTS.. THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR CHRIS!!!
    2 points
  6. While most of what you type I agree with Bluefield was not jobbed. All the points that you use are subjective. The exact same point system for AAA schools that was in use then is the exact same system used today. There was no "invite". When you use that word in my mind you are implying that one team was selected by opinion over another team. That is simply not the case now and it wasn't the case then. Whatever two AAA schools amassed the highest point average in their regular season games were "invited" to play in the AAA title game. It had nothing to do with opinion. The 1960 Weir team outpointed Bluefield even with their one loss to Wheeling. Weir beat 4 AAA size schools that went 9-1. Bluefield's schedule in 1960 included four AA schools. Graham, Gary. Mullens and Tazewell. These AA schools played other AA schools. In WV there are no welfare points for playing down like in VA. At the end of the 1960 season Bluefield finished 10-0 but was fourth in the ratings. I have never seen the final ratings in print (And believe me I have looked) but going into the final week Weir had an average after 9 games (8-1) of 14.72, Nitro 14.22 (9-0); Bluefield 13.94 (9-0) , East Bank 13.93 (9-0) and Morgantown 13.00 (9-0-1). Bluefield beat a terrible Princeton team (1-9); Weir beat Parkersburg (8-2) and East Bank and Morgantown did not play because their schedules were completed, Nitro beat AA Poca but barley maintained their lead. Weir beat Ohio State power Steubenville (9-1) and Penn State power Johnstown (7-2-1). Bluefield played "NO ONE" in 1960 the quality of Johnstown or Steubenville. The best team we played was Big Creek at 7-3 and we needed the lights to go out at halftime and a long delay just to come back and beat them 14-13. We struggled against a 1-9 Richlands team 20-0. We only played three winning teams all year. We simply were not in Weir's class that season. I think we could have beaten Nitro. As for third place East Bank I don't really know. I would like to think Gainer would have been able to come up with a plan to beat Weir had they played but I am skeptical. What it all boils down to is Bluefield played a VERY soft schedule in 1960 compared to Weir. A slightly softer schedule when it came to Nitro and East Bank, Gainer realized this and very soon thereafter Mullens and Tazewell were replaced by AAA Kanawha Valley teams DuPont and Charleston. Even then Bluefield's schedule was a liability in the ratings because we just could not drop AA rivals Graham and Gary. 1968 was a different story. I believe Bluefield was indeed the best in the state. So lets talk about why they did not get the points that they needed in 1968. First let's backtrack to 1967. Most people don't realize this but Bluefield finished (10-0) 2nd in the ratings to Stonewall Jackson of Charleston (9-1). That is right. The Kanawha Valley team recorded more rating points in their 9 wins than Bluefield received in their 10 wins. As a matter of fact Bluefield finished just 1/2 point ahead of Charleston (8-1) for 2nd place. The last week of the season Charleston and Stonewall played their traditional rivalry game at Laidley Field. Charleston was 8-0 (9 game schedule) and Stonewall was 8-1 losing early in the season to St. Albans. Stonewall pulled the upset. The ratings were so very close between the three schools that the WVSSAC commissioner had to call G. W. Danville in Danville, VA to confirm their enrollment. Why? Because Bluefield had defeated Jefferson High of Roanoke and Jefferson had later defeated G. W. Danville. WV had to find out if Bluefield would be awarded a bonus point or not. In WV you do not get welfare bonus points. You only get a bonus point if your defeated opponent defeats a team in their class or higher. Since Jefferson was a AAA school by WV standards Bluefield would only get the bonus point if G. W. Danville was also a AAA by WV standards. The call was made to the principal at GW and as we all know that school is plenty large enough to be AAA. Bluefield got the bonus point and went from one half point behind Charleston to one half point ahead. Now on to 1968. Lets talk about how the points went down that season. In 1967 Bluefield also played a winless Patrick Henry team from Roanoke. As we all know Gainer retired after the 1967 season and went to Patrick Henry, but not as coach, he was the AD. He did not coach until the following season in 1969. Bluefield and Patrick Henry did not play a 2nd game. I have never been able to find out why. Perhaps it was a one game contract. Perhaps Gainer did not want his school to have face Bluefield. Nevertheless they did not play. Bluefield filled this slot in 1968 with a game at Logan. Or so they thought. Logan had been in conflict with the WVSSAC the whole 1967 season. First getting permission to play a player in 1967 whose age was in question and then midseason being told they could no longer play him. Logan refused to stop playing him and sued the WVSSAC. They eventually lost and in true WVSSAC vindictive character (see Big Creek 1958) they suspended the Logan football program for the 1968 season. The legal wrangling did not come to a conclusion until August 1968 and it was too late for Bluefield to find a replacement for Logan on their 1968 schedule and therefore had to play a 9 game schedule. IMO this and the fact that some of the teams that they played in 1967 had significantly worse records in 1968 than they had in 1967 is what cost Bluefield and chance at the 1968 title. Had Bluefield played and beaten a decent Logan squad and beaten them they would have made the top two. The final ratings for 1968 showed: #1 Charleston (9-0-1) 14.65; #2 St. Albans (9-1) 14.55; #3 Bluefield (9-0) 14.27. What evidence available certainly does lead to the conclusion that Bluefield was the better team that season. When you look at mutual opponents Bluefield comes out way ahead. So my conclusion is Bluefield has never been jobbed. They simply did not amass the points the competitors did. Now if you want to get into other factors such as geography then the teams that nosed them out have the advantage because they are located in areas where they are not "forced" to play natural rivals that were AA schools then you have a point. But IMO that is Bluefield's problem and not theirs.
    2 points
  7. That's funny right there....for anyone that knows the back story.😁
    2 points
  8. TwhscoachT

    New Helmet thread

    2019 Thomas Walker Helms
    2 points
  9. We know all about facilities management at GC. You should see our Sports Complex; you’d think it had never been used.
    2 points
  10. Pretty sure that it originated with Navy back in 2012 for the Army game. It's been adopted by more than a few teams since (including Virginia Tech). I agree that it's pretty sharp. TW's logo and color scheme work well for the concept.
    1 point
  11. RCITYHOO

    When was the last time..

    71-72 Radford Bobcats had like 11 or more go D1.
    1 point
  12. RichRich

    Chris Kelly Union

    If he is from Central he should probably stay out of football
    1 point
  13. The U Bear

    Chris Kelly Union

    thats exactly what the new principal wants to do. hes a wise central guy so he dont care much for union.
    1 point
  14. Sharp helmet indeed.
    1 point
  15. Rick, you do realize there are several as in.....scores of your fellow alums who disagree with you. 1960- They won the state title in 1959 and at the end of the 1960 season, had a 23 game winning streak. Went 10-0 in 1960 and was only scored on 3 times. Had 7 shut outs. They didn't get an invite. Nitro and Weir played for the title. Weir hammered Nitro, but Weir actually had 1 loss in the regular season to a 6-3-1 Wheeling High team. So yes, for the kids on the 1960 Bluefield team that has just won a title and had a dominating season with only 3 times scored on, it's a joke that they weren't picked. Now, if there's a reason I don't know about such as a forfeit, probation, school issues or something like that, it's different and you would certainly know much more on it then me. I'm only going by what I've been told from scores of former Beavers over the years. 1968-You mentioned this team which clearly comes to mind. Here's what makes it a "jobbing" in my opinion. It's similar to what happened in 1960. Let go back the year before 1968 which of course is 1967. In 1967, state champions, 11-0. In 1968, 5 of the 9 regular season games-shut outs. No invite, forget about being the obvious first team or whatever, but simply not in the top 2!. Also, from 1964 until the end of the 1968 season, Bluefield had a 49-2 record! Yes, the 68 team in my opinion was jobbed. One other salt in the wound pouring. Charleston played St. Albans for the state title. St. Albans had a loss that year in regular season to...……..Charleston by about 20 points. Charleston also wasn't perfect as they had a tie on the record with I think East Bank, but the joke is, they let the two schools play again for the title! That's not jobbing. That's first class jobbing and in 1968, line em up, and the Beavers and Gainer ain't losing. 1966-Bluefield's only blemish was to an incredible Big Creek team (of which Big Creek had many great teams over the years). That Big Creek had only one loss to a very, very good Graham team at Mitchell Stadium the last game of the year 13-0. Bluefield destroyed Graham that year, but Graham played EC Glass close and Tazewell close. In 1966, Huntington and B. Upshur were invited and played for the dance. Bluefield at 9-1 was better than both of them. Huntington and Bluefield did have a common opponent. That was Woodrow Wilson which Bluefield beat badly 32-0 at Beckley, and Huntington beat Woodrow Wilson 37-15 at Huntington. Bluefield had just won the title in 1965, but as one could see, the Beavers didn't get the benefit of the doubt with 1 loss unless they were perfect, and even then, such as in 1960 and 68, perfect wasn't enough, they weren't even selected in the top 2. In 1966, if I'm not mistaken, one of Big Creeks stars (Cunningham or Carmicheal-forget the name) did not play at Mitchell Stadium in the final upset loss to Graham, even though Graham was pretty good in 68 and no slouch. But, the thing I'm getting at is, even with Bluefield and Big Creek's losses, both should have been playing in the state title game (at their levels of play) and the teams from Charleston and up always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt. 1961-Going way back, Bluefield's only loss was Graham (huge rival).the Beavers lost 32-25 and that was it, and Bluefield went 9-1. Weir and St. Albans played in the dance. Weir had 1 loss on the regular season and St. Albans had a tie. Kind of a pattern here, the Beavers left out. Oh yea, at the end of the 1961 season when Bluefield was left out behind Weir and St. Albans, the Beavers in 1959 were 11-0 and state champs, undefeated at 10-0 in 1960 and of course by seasons end in 1961, they had a recent record of 30-1, and again, if Gainer and company are sent to the dance, they would have another title. From 1958 through 1971, there were 14 state titles in WV's Triple A. Bluefield won 4 of those 14 and during all 4 titles, they were perfect. No losses or ties. In the other 10 state title games (final two picked to make the playoffs or essentially play for a state title) out of those 10 games, in 9 of the 10 games, at Least 1 team had a blemish of either a loss or tie and in most of those games, BOTH teams had at least a blemish (tie or loss). The exception to the above....in 1963, B. Upshur did not play a title game and they were perfect. The Beavers were 4-0 and never lost, but if they aren't jobbed in at least 2, likely 3 of the 4 seasons mentioned above, Gainer's coming back with 3 more titles. They absolutely were jobbed.
    1 point
  16. Hokiebird7

    New Helmet thread

    I bet dookthecook approves lol
    1 point
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